Self-Driving Cars Good luck dealing with that, AI system!

Good luck dealing with that, AI system!
Ralph Nader Radio Hour: The Self-Driving Car: Is It Safe?
Why SAE Level 5 will never exist.
Tesla Autopilot and Elon Musk’s Lidar Stance Discussed by Waymo Founder
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Good luck dealing with that, AI system!

Posted: 27 Dec 2019 02:30 PM PST

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Ralph Nader Radio Hour: The Self-Driving Car: Is It Safe?

Posted: 28 Dec 2019 01:43 PM PST

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Why SAE Level 5 will never exist.

Posted: 28 Dec 2019 01:40 AM PST

Level 5 is referred to as full autonomy. That begs the question, how is a car with no steering wheel and no pedals, not full autonomy? Google was driving people around on public roads in 2015 in a car with no steering wheel and no pedals. How is that not the highest level of autonomy? The only difference between L4 and L5 in the SAE definitions is one word - certain vs all.

Level 4: The vehicle is capable of performing all driving functions under certain conditions.
Level 5: The vehicle is capable of performing all driving functions under all conditions.

Level 4 is defined as high automation and Level 5 as full automation, thus Level 5 is obviously more capable than Level 4, right? Plus 5 is greater than 4. However, both levels say 'the driver may have the option to control the vehicle.' So who is the driver when the only person in a vehicle with no steering wheel and no pedals is legally blind? Under the Level 5 definition, you could still have a safety driver. Thus Level 5 doesn't really tell us anything about the true capability of the system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArYTxDZzQOM

Now we get to the argument about geofencing where people say Level 4 is limited to a geofenced area whereas a Level 5 car can drive anywhere in the world. Ok fine, but what in the Level 5 system allows it to be able to do this? What does the Level 5 system have that the Level 4 system does not?

In fact, the only difference is a Level 4 system has a high def map whereas a Level 5 system does not. People take this to mean that a Level 5 system is just so much more powerful and sophisticated that it doesn't require a map but we're never told how it's able to make this leap. In fact, a true Level 5 system is starting at a huge disadvantage. Without a map, the computing power needed is many many times that of a Level 4 system. A Level 5 system has to decipher everything in real-time and basically create its own map on the fly. And then it throws this map in the garbage after each trip.

The main fallacy of a Level 5 system is that you can somehow create sophisticated enough software that allows you to drive in any city, with; different traffic patterns, different laws and different driving styles without the need to meticulously test and refine the system for each individual city. As humans, we'd be far better drivers if we had an internal map that told us what's ahead. However as humans we suffer from information overload but a computer driven car does not. Why would a SDC company not take advantage of this capability?
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Tesla Autopilot and Elon Musk’s Lidar Stance Discussed by Waymo Founder

Posted: 27 Dec 2019 03:10 PM PST